iOS 16.4.1(a) rapid security response

[*Hemidactylus*]

And now for something completely different. It was a quick process.
Downloaded without spending time on preparing update. Must be important.

[*Hemidactylus*]

*Hemidactylus* <ecph...@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
> And now for something completely different. It was a quick process.
> Downloaded without spending time on preparing update. Must be important.
>
>

https://www.macrumors.com/2023/05/01/rapid-security-response-16-4-1/

“Update: Apple is releasing the Rapid Security Response updates on a
rolling basis across next 48 hours, so not all users will see it right
away.”

[*Hemidactylus*]

*Hemidactylus* <ecph...@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
> And now for something completely different. It was a quick process.
> Downloaded without spending time on preparing update. Must be important.
>

My iPad did the preparing update thing. The difference in both was the
restart now option (I think).

[sticks]

I think it was about a month ago my IPhone XR would not stay in Light
mode and kept reverting to dark mode. I ended up having to do a full
reset to fix it. Hadn't switched to dark mode since. Until today after
installing this fix. It restarted in dark mode. Told siri to turn it
off and she said it already was off, which I already knew since I
checked first.

For now, a power off and back on has reset it to light mode. Hope it
sticks.

[Ant]

*Hemidactylus* <ecph...@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
> And now for something completely different. It was a quick process.
> Downloaded without spending time on preparing update. Must be important.

And still needs a reboot.
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[quicksilver]

On Wed, 03 May 2023 01:12:12 +0000, *Hemidactylus* wrote:

> And now for something completely different.

It's a new way of releasing software so there was a slight hiccup.
https://www.theverge.com/2023/5/1/23706883/apple-ios-16-iphone-rapid-security-update-error-internet-connection

This partial patch capability is a new way of updating built into iOS 16.
https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT201224

Google added a similar partial update capability in Android 4.4
but it took until about Android 10 until they ironed out the bugs.

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 03.05.23 um 03:15 schrieb *Hemidactylus*:

I had it on our Apple devices 30 hours before you wrote your posting.

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[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 03.05.23 um 05:35 schrieb Ant:

> *Hemidactylus* <ecph...@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
>> And now for something completely different. It was a quick process.
>> Downloaded without spending time on preparing update. Must be important.
>
> And still needs a reboot.

So what!

[*Hemidactylus*]

Did you get the checkered flag? I didn’t realize it was a competition.

[Ed Cryer]

We're now on 16.4.1(a) after that new-fangled update.
I don't know whether to laugh or cry. It's so patently obvious as a PR
exercise in incompetence-covering.
Maybe we'll soon see a 16.4.1(a.1)

(:-

Ed

[sticks]

Nope. Back to dark mode this morning. Crap.

[Chris]

Nah. It'll be 16.4.1(a.a)

[*Hemidactylus*]

And will take 12 steps.

[Bob Campbell]

*Hemidactylus* <ecph...@allspamis.invalid> wrote:

> “Update: Apple is releasing the Rapid Security Response updates on a
> rolling basis across next 48 hours, so not all users will see it right
> away.”

I saw it. I passed.

I’ll wait for real updates. The last thing I want to install is an update
that was coded/tested/published “rapidly”. 🙄

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 03.05.23 um 12:13 schrieb *Hemidactylus*:

But the "information" you spread is just a disclaimer by Apple an not to
be taken by the face value.

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 03.05.23 um 15:33 schrieb *Hemidactylus*:

Brain dead Troll.

[*Hemidactylus*]

Whoosh!

[Jolly Roger]

That's a really obscure bug that I haven't seen any other cases of. Have
you contacted Apple support about this issue?

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JR

[Jolly Roger]

It's for enhanced security, so I installed it right away on all of our
devices. And I haven't seen any problems reported from those who have
installed it.

[Jolly Roger]

Your baseless claim is a patently obvious troll.

[Ed Cryer]

Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2023-05-03, Ed Cryer <e...@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>> *Hemidactylus* wrote:
>>> *Hemidactylus* <ecph...@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> And now for something completely different. It was a quick process.
>>>> Downloaded without spending time on preparing update. Must be
>>>> important.
>>>>
>>> My iPad did the preparing update thing. The difference in both was
>>> the restart now option (I think).
>>
>> We're now on 16.4.1(a) after that new-fangled update. I don't know
>> whether to laugh or cry. It's so patently obvious as a PR exercise in
>> incompetence-covering.
>
> Your baseless claim is a patently obvious troll.
>

Your bigoted, mean-spirited and infantile response is an offence to
intelligent discussion.
I suggest you go boil your head and see how it feels when the juices of
blind prejudice have been drained.

Ed

[News]

ChatGPT response?

[Jolly Roger]

On 2023-05-03, Ed Cryer <e...@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2023-05-03, Ed Cryer <e...@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>>> *Hemidactylus* wrote:
>>>> *Hemidactylus* <ecph...@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> And now for something completely different. It was a quick
>>>>> process. Downloaded without spending time on preparing update.
>>>>> Must be important.
>>>>>
>>>> My iPad did the preparing update thing. The difference in both was
>>>> the restart now option (I think).
>>>
>>> We're now on 16.4.1(a) after that new-fangled update. I don't know
>>> whether to laugh or cry. It's so patently obvious as a PR exercise
>>> in incompetence-covering.
>>
>> Your baseless claim is a patently obvious troll.
>
> Your bigoted

Nothing I said was bigoted. Crack open a dictionary, and stay in school.

> mean-spirited

Nothing I said was mean-spirited, either.

> and infantile

Strike three. You're out.

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 03.05.23 um 16:39 schrieb *Hemidactylus*:

*ROTFLSTC*

[Ed Cryer]

Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2023-05-03, Ed Cryer <e...@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2023-05-03, Ed Cryer <e...@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>>>> *Hemidactylus* wrote:
>>>>> *Hemidactylus* <ecph...@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And now for something completely different. It was a quick
>>>>>> process. Downloaded without spending time on preparing update.
>>>>>> Must be important.
>>>>>>
>>>>> My iPad did the preparing update thing. The difference in both was
>>>>> the restart now option (I think).
>>>>
>>>> We're now on 16.4.1(a) after that new-fangled update. I don't know
>>>> whether to laugh or cry. It's so patently obvious as a PR exercise
>>>> in incompetence-covering.
>>>
>>> Your baseless claim is a patently obvious troll.
>>
>> Your bigoted
>
> Nothing I said was bigoted. Crack open a dictionary, and stay in school.
>
>> mean-spirited
>
> Nothing I said was mean-spirited, either.
>
>> and infantile
>
> Strike three. You're out.
>

Adverse criticism is not "trolling"; not to people with minds.
For example, many app updates carry descriptions such as "performance
improvements, better game experience and bugs cleared"; and it's not too
difficult to read beyond the euphemistic phraseology to the reality.
Among educated people that would promote discussion, not a sudden inrush
of thought-police yelling "Not here, not here". In a forum where
intelligence predominates over crudity, it would be welcomed.

Ed

[Jolly Roger]

On 2023-05-04, Ed Cryer <e...@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2023-05-03, Ed Cryer <e...@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>> On 2023-05-03, Ed Cryer <e...@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>>>>> *Hemidactylus* wrote:
>>>>>> *Hemidactylus* <ecph...@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And now for something completely different. It was a quick
>>>>>>> process. Downloaded without spending time on preparing update.
>>>>>>> Must be important.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> My iPad did the preparing update thing. The difference in both
>>>>>> was the restart now option (I think).
>>>>>
>>>>> We're now on 16.4.1(a) after that new-fangled update. I don't
>>>>> know whether to laugh or cry. It's so patently obvious as a PR
>>>>> exercise in incompetence-covering.
>>>>
>>>> Your baseless claim is a patently obvious troll.
>>>
>>> Your bigoted
>>
>> Nothing I said was bigoted. Crack open a dictionary, and stay in
>> school.
>>
>>> mean-spirited
>>
>> Nothing I said was mean-spirited, either.
>>
>>> and infantile
>>
>> Strike three. You're out.
>
> Adverse criticism is not "trolling"

Claiming a software update is supposedly "a PR exercise in
incompetence-covering" without any evidence to back up that claim is
classic weak trolling. You have yet to provide a shred of objectively
verifiable evidence of that claim. And you won't, because it doesn't
exist. Your trolls are as weak as ever.

[RonTheGuy]

On May 04, 2023, Ed Cryer wrote
(in article<news:u30juh$1sq71$1...@dont-email.me>):

> Adverse criticism is not "trolling"; not to people with minds.

Along that line of criticism and commendation, it took decades but Apple
finally modified their release mechanism to be like all other computers.
https://9to5mac.com/2022/01/21/heres-why-apple-should-provide-standalone-updates-for-native-ios-apps/

As of iOS 16, Apple can now release patch updates just like Google has done
for Android for about ten years and Microsoft did for Windows for as long.

The criticism is it took Apple forever. The commendation is Apple finally
changed their hotfix patch release mechanism as of iOS 16 and above.
https://httptoolkit.com/blog/safari-is-killing-the-web/

Ron, the humblest guy in town.

[Ed Cryer]

I think you'd have got on quite well with Torquemada, Miserable Roger.
Have you ever read The Grand Inquisitor chapter in Dostoevsky's The
Brothers Karamazov?

Ed

[Ed Cryer]

Perhaps the cinema is more your forté.
You and I could star in a Quentin Tarantino film. He wouldn't need all
the ketchup-splattering in the final chapter; we'd just stand face to
face, and the hatred would be palpable to all. Then some music would
start up as we faced each other like gun-slingers in a spaghetti-western.
How about "Django Unchained"?
You could be the Leonardo DiCaprio character (or maybe the Samuel L
Jackson one), and I'd be the Christoph Waltz one.

Ed

[Alan Browne]

With Joerg if he got there first, it's important.
If he got there later, people are all excited over nothing.

--
“Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
danger to American democracy.”
- J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
- Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
committee

[Alan Browne]

As I understand it, this update, itself, is not critical it is to permit
the rapid dissemination of critical security updates.

[Alan Browne]

On 2023-05-04 02:22, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 03.05.23 um 16:39 schrieb *Hemidactylus*:
>> Joerg Lorenz <hugy...@gmx.ch> wrote:
>>> Am 03.05.23 um 15:33 schrieb *Hemidactylus*:
>>>> Chris <ithi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Nah. It'll be 16.4.1(a.a)
>>>>>
>>>> And will take 12 steps.
>>>
>>> Brain dead Troll.
>>>
>> Whoosh!
>
> *ROTFLSTC*

He got the "Whoosh!" right.

[Alan Browne]

On 2023-05-04 11:44, Ed Cryer wrote:

> Adverse criticism is not "trolling"; not to people with minds.

What you wrote:
"It's so patently obvious as a PR exercise in incompetence-covering."

This is a declarative sentence. Not "adverse criticism".

Mindless at that.

[RJH]

On 6 May 2023 at 3:39:52 PM, Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:

> As I understand it, this update, itself, is not critical it is to permit
> the rapid dissemination of critical security updates.

Wrong. This is bigger and more fundamental than you can ever imagine.

The new ability to release patches incrementally was big news for Apple
when it became possible in iOS/iPadOS 16.4.1 & macOS 13.3.1 to not have to
build, test & roll out an entire release just to patch a security issue.

You just don't keep up on what Apple does as they improve their releases.
https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201224
--
Cheers, Rob

[Jolly Roger]

On 2023-05-06, Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:
> On 2023-05-04 11:44, Ed Cryer wrote:
>
>> Adverse criticism is not "trolling"; not to people with minds.
>
> What you wrote:
> "It's so patently obvious as a PR exercise in incompetence-covering."
>
> This is a declarative sentence. Not "adverse criticism".
>
> Mindless at that.

He doesn't care if he looks like a fool. He's just here to score empty
troll points. ; )

[Chris]

You sound like those who don't trust the covid vaccine because it was
"rushed".

The reason why these things are released urgently is because they are
important. They aren't untested.

[Ed Cryer]

Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2023-05-04 11:44, Ed Cryer wrote:
>
>> Adverse criticism is not "trolling"; not to people with minds.
>
> What you wrote:
>    "It's so patently obvious as a PR exercise in incompetence-covering."
>
> This is a declarative sentence.  Not "adverse criticism".
>
> Mindless at that.
>
>

What kind of language do you recommend for adverse criticism? Greek?

If I write "It was wrong for the Nazis to practise genocide against the
Jews"; or "It was wrong for Trump supporters to storm the Capitol",
those are both declarative sentences.

Let me know how you would rephrase them to bring them into line with
your inane concept.

Ed

[Hank Rogers]

So, are you saying arlen was right all along? That apple was only
making updates of the entire system and was unable/unwilling to
provide patches? Until now?

[nospam]

In article <qEw5M.2684297$iU59....@fx14.iad>, Hank Rogers

<ha...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> So, are you saying arlen was right all along? That apple was only
> making updates of the entire system and was unable/unwilling to
> provide patches? Until now?

he wasn't.

the updates have always varied in size, containing whatever changed.

they were not the entire system each time, which is easily determined
by how long it takes to download, sometimes just a minute or so.

[Bob Campbell]

Chris <ithi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Bob Campbell <nu...@none.none> wrote:

>> I saw it. I passed.
>>
>> I’ll wait for real updates. The last thing I want to install is an update
>> that was coded/tested/published “rapidly”. 🙄
>
> You sound like those who don't trust the covid vaccine because it was
> "rushed".

No, I sound like someone who has been in software development for nearly 40
years.

> The reason why these things are released urgently is because they are
> important. They aren't untested.

They are coded and tested quickly. That’s not software I want to install
quickly.

[Ed Cryer]

Some great declarative sentences.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created
equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable
Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

"Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth, upon this
continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the
proposition that all men are created equal."

Ed

[Bob Campbell]

Hank Rogers <ha...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
> So, are you saying arlen was right all along? That apple was only
> making updates of the entire system and was unable/unwilling to
> provide patches? Until now?

Arlen has never been right about anything.

iOS updates have NEVER been “the entire OS distributed, even if only a
single line of code was changed”. If he actually ever used an
iPhone/iPad, he would know this to be true by the size difference between
x.x.x updates and full version releases.

But - as we all know - he was a stupid, lying, useless troll child.

[RJH]

On 6 May 2023 at 12:04:05 PM, Hank Rogers <ha...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>> You just don't keep up on what Apple does as they improve their releases.
>> https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201224
>>
>
> So, are you saying arlen was right all along?

I was saying Alan Brown was wrong about this 1st emergency patch hotfix.

> That apple was only
> making updates of the entire system and was unable/unwilling to
> provide patches? Until now?

What I was saying was this release is the first of many to come after Apple
changed how they release iOS/iPadOS and macOS to allow emergency updates.
https://www.deccanherald.com/business/technology/apple-rolls-out-rapid-security-response-update-to-iphones-ipads-macs-1214906.html

Don't any of you ever read the news instead of guessing what Apple did?
https://eclecticlight.co/2023/05/02/what-is-a-rapid-security-response-rsr/

It's the 1st of a brand new system of patches much like an Android hotfix.
https://www.thurrott.com/mobile/282573/apple-releases-first-rapid-security-fixes-ios-ipados-macos

Did you read the link I provided about Apple said about the changes?
https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201224

Don't any of you ever read the news?
This is a welcome change for Apple that was a long time overdue.

What do those links above tell you about what's different since iOS 16.4.1?
--
Cheers, Rob

[mike]

On 03-05-2023 09:05 Ant <a...@zimage.comANT> wrote:

> And still needs a reboot.

It's a special type of hot fix that Apple only made possible recently.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2023-05-06, Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:

> On 2023-05-03 09:43, Bob Campbell wrote:
>> *Hemidactylus* <ecph...@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> “Update: Apple is releasing the Rapid Security Response updates on a
>>> rolling basis across next 48 hours, so not all users will see it
>>> right away.”
>>
>> I saw it. I passed.

That's a silly take, considering these updates are very small and
targeted and therefore much less likely to contain bugs that larger and
more broad minor and major updates sometimes hold. But people certainly
have the freedom to shoot themselves in the foot by leaving themselves
open to newly-discovered security vulnerabilities if that's what they
want to do. : ) If he avoids all rapid response updates, he'll get the
patch later when he installs the next minor iOS update. For his sake,
hopefully that's not too late...

>> I’ll wait for real updates. The last thing I want to install is an
>> update that was coded/tested/published “rapidly”. 🙄
>
> As I understand it, this update, itself, is not critical it is to
> permit the rapid dissemination of critical security updates.

Actually, they were already "permitted" since the Rapid Security
Response feature was announced at WWDC last summer and was introduced in
iOS/iPadOS 16 and macOS 13 (Ventura). This is just the first rapid
response update that Apple has rolled out since those releases.

[Jolly Roger]

* This is the first *publicly-released* Rapid Security Response Apple
has rolled out, but they did release one previously to those running
the iOS 16.4 Beta:

<https://www.macrumors.com/2023/03/01/apple-releases-rsr-for-ios-16-4-beta/>

So technically, this isn't the actual first one.

[Hank Rogers]

That's what I thought.

[Hank Rogers]

Don't get all worked up and pissy over it. I just thought it
strange that you were saying it's all new shit, like apple never
offered a partial system code download. The same crap arlen's been
bitching about since god wore knickers.

[Hank Rogers]

Hahahaha ... with apple, EVERYTHING is special.

[RJH]

On 7 May 2023 at 4:28:09 AM, Hank Rogers <ha...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>> What do those links above tell you about what's different since iOS 16.4.1?
>>
>
> Don't get all worked up and pissy over it. I just thought it
> strange that you were saying it's all new shit, like apple never
> offered a partial system code download. The same crap arlen's been
> bitching about since god wore knickers.

I'm not worked up. I gave you the articles to read. You have to read them.

This is new. That's why they call it news. It was announced only last year.

If people are unaware of this, it's only because they don't read the news.
Apple is now using the same kind of emergency patches that Android uses.
--
Cheers, Rob

[nospam]

In article <u36rud$32dbl$1...@dont-email.me>, RJH <patch...@gmx.com>
wrote:

> Apple is now using the same kind of emergency patches that Android uses.

nope.

they are not the same kind at all.

[RJH]

On 7 May 2023 at 1:47:10 AM, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>> Apple is now using the same kind of emergency patches that Android uses.
>
> nope.

These are Apple's words.
https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201224

"Rapid Security Responses deliver important security improvements between
software updates. They may be used to mitigate some security issues more
quickly, such as issues that may have been exploited or reported to exist.
New Rapid Security Responses will only be delivered for the latest version
of iOS, iPadOS and macOS - starting with iOS 16.4.1, iPadOS 16.4.1 and
macOS 13.3.1."

These are thurott's words.
https://www.thurrott.com/mobile/282573/apple-releases-first-rapid-security-fixes-ios-ipados-macos

"Apple released yesterday its first "rapid" security patches for iOS,
iPadOS, and macOS, which bring security fixes to the three platforms
without the need for incremental system updates. This a new type of
software update that Apple announced at its WWDC conference last year, and
you'll need to be running the latest versions of iOS, iPadOS, and macOS to
receive them. By default, these "rapid" security updates will be installed
automatically"

These are eclecticlight's words.
https://eclecticlight.co/2023/05/02/what-is-a-rapid-security-response-rsr/

"While the SSV is wonderfully secure, its security thus gets in the way of
updates, so Apple has moved some components that are likely to be updated
individually and more often, out of the SSV. Among these is Safari and its
supporting components including WebKit. As the front line in the defence
against most attacks, it's vital that Safari can be updated more quickly
and easily, but the mechanism of its storage and updating also need to be
robust and not a vulnerability."

These are deccanherald's words.
https://www.deccanherald.com/business/technology/apple-rolls-out-rapid-security-response-update-to-iphones-ipads-macs-1214906.html

"With Rapid Security Response Update, Apple will be able to roll out
security patches as and when the security loophole is identified and the
fix is ready for deployment. Apple regularly rolls out incremental updates
to its devices to bring new features, resolve issues caused by software
bugs and also fix loopholes in the system to curb cyber threats. Now, for
the first time, Apple has deployed an emergency firmware -- iOS/iPadOS
16.4.1(a) dubbed -- Rapid Security Response Updates -- to iPhones and
iPads. It is a welcome move by Apple. It greatly reduces the time taken to
release security software updates."

> they are not the same kind at all.

What do you feel is different?
--
Cheers, Rob

[nospam]

In article <u36v9k$32t27$1...@dont-email.me>, RJH <patch...@gmx.com>

wrote:

> >> Apple is now using the same kind of emergency patches that Android uses.
> >
> > nope.
>
> These are Apple's words.

words which you do not understand.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2023-05-07, RJH <patch...@gmx.com> wrote:
> On 7 May 2023 at 4:28:09 AM, Hank Rogers <ha...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> What do those links above tell you about what's different since iOS
>>> 16.4.1?
>>
>> Don't get all worked up and pissy over it. I just thought it strange
>> that you were saying it's all new shit, like apple never offered a
>> partial system code download. The same crap arlen's been bitching
>> about since god wore knickers.
>
> I'm not worked up. I gave you the articles to read.

You must be lost. Nothing you said is new information here.

> This is new.

Actually, it was announced last summer at WWDC and first pushed during
the iOS 16.4 beta. Old news.

> If people are unaware of this

They aren't - you just desperately want to claim they are.

[Jolly Roger]

Exposing his ignorance, as usual.

[Chris]

Bob Campbell <nu...@none.none> wrote:
> Chris <ithi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Bob Campbell <nu...@none.none> wrote:
>
>>> I saw it. I passed.
>>>
>>> I’ll wait for real updates. The last thing I want to install is an update
>>> that was coded/tested/published “rapidly”. 🙄
>>
>> You sound like those who don't trust the covid vaccine because it was
>> "rushed".
>
> No, I sound like someone who has been in software development for nearly 40
> years.

So you'd know that a bug fix is a lot easier to make than new feature
development. Therefore a new mechanism for pushing out only security fixes
is going to be rapid. Necessarily so.

>> The reason why these things are released urgently is because they are
>> important. They aren't untested.
>
> They are coded and tested quickly. That’s not software I want to install
> quickly.

All the testing is automatic via CI.

[Alan Browne]

On 2023-05-06 13:53, Ed Cryer wrote:
> Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2023-05-04 11:44, Ed Cryer wrote:
>>
>>> Adverse criticism is not "trolling"; not to people with minds.
>>
>> What you wrote:
>>     "It's so patently obvious as a PR exercise in incompetence-covering."
>>
>> This is a declarative sentence.  Not "adverse criticism".
>>
>> Mindless at that.
>>
>>
>
> What kind of language do you recommend for adverse criticism? Greek?

I made it quite clear: avoid declarative sentences. A mode available in
most languages.

The rest of your childish gibberish snipped for obvious reasons.

[Alan Browne]

On 2023-05-06 14:31, Ed Cryer wrote:
> Ed Cryer wrote:
>> Alan Browne wrote:
>>> On 2023-05-04 11:44, Ed Cryer wrote:
>>>
>>>> Adverse criticism is not "trolling"; not to people with minds.
>>>
>>> What you wrote:
>>>     "It's so patently obvious as a PR exercise in
>>> incompetence-covering."
>>>
>>> This is a declarative sentence.  Not "adverse criticism".
>>>

> Some great declarative sentences.
>
> "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created
> equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable
> Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
>
> "Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth, upon this
> continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the
> proposition that all men are created equal."

Which are not "adverse criticism". Is it sinking in yet?

[Alan Browne]

On 2023-05-06 17:44, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2023-05-06, Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> On 2023-05-03 09:43, Bob Campbell wrote:
>>> *Hemidactylus* <ecph...@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> “Update: Apple is releasing the Rapid Security Response updates on a
>>>> rolling basis across next 48 hours, so not all users will see it
>>>> right away.”
>>>

>>> I saw it. I passed. << Bob Campbell. <Attribution clarification>

>
> That's a silly take, considering these updates are very small and
> targeted and therefore much less likely to contain bugs that larger and
> more broad minor and major updates sometimes hold. But people certainly
> have the freedom to shoot themselves in the foot by leaving themselves
> open to newly-discovered security vulnerabilities if that's what they
> want to do. : ) If he avoids all rapid response updates, he'll get the
> patch later when he installs the next minor iOS update. For his sake,
> hopefully that's not too late...
>
>>> I’ll wait for real updates. The last thing I want to install is an
>>> update that was coded/tested/published “rapidly”. 🙄
>>
>> As I understand it, this update, itself, is not critical it is to
>> permit the rapid dissemination of critical security updates.
>
> Actually, they were already "permitted" since the Rapid Security
> Response feature was announced at WWDC last summer and was introduced in
> iOS/iPadOS 16 and macOS 13 (Ventura). This is just the first rapid
> response update that Apple has rolled out since those releases.

OK.

IAC was not available for my iPhone yesterday late afternoon. It is now.

[Alan Browne]

You actually have no idea how they were coded and tested unless you have
some internal knowledge of what precisely the issue (bug) was, how
critical it was, how trivial or hard it is to fix, how trivial or hard
it is to test the fix. You further have no idea how many people were
involved in evaluating the particular "event" scope and how the response
was planned in all details.
To brush the surface.

IOW: A term like "rapid security response" can be very misleading. This
latest issue may have been in the works for weeks.
Or it may have been a somewhat trivially fixable bug for which the
solution could be easily tested and deployed.

Just no telling.

[Jolly Roger]

Exactly right.

[Bob Campbell]

Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:
> You actually have no idea how they were coded and tested unless you have
> some internal knowledge of what precisely the issue (bug) was, how
> critical it was, how trivial or hard it is to fix, how trivial or hard
> it is to test the fix. You further have no idea how many people were
> involved in evaluating the particular "event" scope and how the response
> was planned in all details.
> To brush the surface.

Brushing the surface indeed. 🙄

Actually, I have a very good idea of what is happening with these.

> IOW: A term like "rapid security response" can be very misleading. This
> latest issue may have been in the works for weeks.
> Or it may have been a somewhat trivially fixable bug for which the
> solution could be easily tested and deployed.
>
> Just no telling.

Exactly. Just no telling.

So feel free to install software updates on the day they arrive. I am
endlessly amused by the number of people that install updates the minute
they become aware of it, and then discover some problem(s) with it. And
then they whine about it.

As I do with ALL software updates on every computer under my control, I
will wait a few weeks to see what the fallout - if any - is.

[Alan Browne]

Please do share actual stats on how many disasters you've avoided.

[Jolly Roger]

On 2023-05-07, Bob Campbell <nu...@none.none> wrote:
> Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>
>> You actually have no idea how they were coded and tested unless you
>> have some internal knowledge of what precisely the issue (bug) was,
>> how critical it was, how trivial or hard it is to fix, how trivial or
>> hard it is to test the fix. You further have no idea how many people
>> were involved in evaluating the particular "event" scope and how the
>> response was planned in all details. To brush the surface.
>
> Brushing the surface indeed. 🙄
>
> Actually, I have a very good idea of what is happening with these.
>
>> IOW: A term like "rapid security response" can be very misleading.
>> This latest issue may have been in the works for weeks. Or it may
>> have been a somewhat trivially fixable bug for which the solution
>> could be easily tested and deployed.
>>
>> Just no telling.
>
> Exactly. Just no telling.
>
> So feel free to install software updates on the day they arrive. I am
> endlessly amused by the number of people that install updates the
> minute they become aware of it, and then discover some problem(s) with
> it. And then they whine about it.

I don't have automatic updates enabled, but have been installing
security updates relatively quickly (within 1-3 days of release) for
years, and I don't recall ever complaining that an update caused a
problem. Then again, I do professional software development and am well
aware there is no such thing as bug-free software. So I'm not the type
of person to bitch and moan when something goes wrong. And more often
than not, there's a solution or workaround to problems I do encounter
that lets me get shit done anyway.

> As I do with ALL software updates on every computer under my control,
> I will wait a few weeks to see what the fallout - if any - is.

Meh. A few weeks seems excessive to me regarding Apple updates. Usually
when an update does cause problems, the vastness of the user base
dictates that issues are well publicized within several days of release.

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 07.05.23 um 19:17 schrieb Bob Campbell:

> Alan Browne <bitb...@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> You actually have no idea how they were coded and tested unless you have
>> some internal knowledge of what precisely the issue (bug) was, how
>> critical it was, how trivial or hard it is to fix, how trivial or hard
>> it is to test the fix. You further have no idea how many people were
>> involved in evaluating the particular "event" scope and how the response
>> was planned in all details.
>> To brush the surface.
>
> Brushing the surface indeed. 🙄
>
> Actually, I have a very good idea of what is happening with these.
>
>> IOW: A term like "rapid security response" can be very misleading. This
>> latest issue may have been in the works for weeks.
>> Or it may have been a somewhat trivially fixable bug for which the
>> solution could be easily tested and deployed.
>>
>> Just no telling.
>
> Exactly. Just no telling.
>
> So feel free to install software updates on the day they arrive. I am
> endlessly amused by the number of people that install updates the minute
> they become aware of it, and then discover some problem(s) with it. And
> then they whine about it.

I never experienced that on Windows, Linux and macOS and also not on iOS
or Android. Never. In more than 25 years and dozens of installations.

Luck? I doubt it.

--
Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

[Jolly Roger]

On 2023-05-07, Ed Cryer <e...@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
> Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2023-05-06 13:53, Ed Cryer wrote:
>>> Alan Browne wrote:
>>>> On 2023-05-04 11:44, Ed Cryer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Adverse criticism is not "trolling"; not to people with minds.
>>>>
>>>> What you wrote:
>>>>     "It's so patently obvious as a PR exercise in
>>>> incompetence-covering."
>>>>
>>>> This is a declarative sentence.  Not "adverse criticism".
>>>>
>>>> Mindless at that.
>>>
>>> What kind of language do you recommend for adverse criticism? Greek?
>>
>> I made it quite clear: avoid declarative sentences.  A mode available in
>> most languages.
>>
>> The rest of your childish gibberish snipped for obvious reasons.
>

> Join Miserable Roger. You're in his class

Cryin' Ed versus the Whole World!, in theaters soon!

[Ed Cryer]

Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2023-05-06 13:53, Ed Cryer wrote:
>> Alan Browne wrote:
>>> On 2023-05-04 11:44, Ed Cryer wrote:
>>>
>>>> Adverse criticism is not "trolling"; not to people with minds.
>>>
>>> What you wrote:
>>>     "It's so patently obvious as a PR exercise in
>>> incompetence-covering."
>>>
>>> This is a declarative sentence.  Not "adverse criticism".
>>>
>>> Mindless at that.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> What kind of language do you recommend for adverse criticism? Greek?
>
> I made it quite clear: avoid declarative sentences.  A mode available in
> most languages.
>
> The rest of your childish gibberish snipped for obvious reasons.
>

Join Miserable Roger. You're in his class

Ed